Tiger fan comparison with pictures

boss-tiger

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Opportunity to do visual comparison of Tiger engine fans, thought it may be of interest values. Chart matches pictures.

DescriptionDiameterHub Center# BladesBackspace from front of hubFront Space From back of hubHub ThicknessBlade ThicknessMax Blade WidthColorNotes
orig stock Tiger14"1"41"7/8"1/8"1/16"3 7/8"blackmax blade width near hub, less 1 3/4 at tip
LAT - 6 blade, G-6515"1"69/16"11/16"1/8"1/16"3 1/16"blackbelieve orig LAT, low pitch
CF-C7TA-G Canada15"5/16"61 3/8"7/8"1/8"1/16"3 11/16"blackLAT repo, aaggressive kick/flip at tips
CF C9DE-a P13465 Canada15"1"61"3/4"1/8"1/16"3.75"blackcommonLAT repo, seen/used several
Derale 1701514.75"5/16"62 9/16"1/2"1/8"1/64"2 7/8"black/stainlessall pitch to rear, ? If need trim to reduce depth
Flex-a-lite 131515"1"51 7/8"1/2"1/8"1/64"3 3/8"blue/stainless"Sucker" Blue Star, all pitch to rear, more flex than Derale

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I believe the only one which comes originally with a 1" hub hole is the LAT - 6 blade, G-65 fan.

How is the CF-C7TA-G Canada fan marked? Which fan in the photo is it.

David
 

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shoot I guess I forgot to include it in the pictures . Will try to redo tomorrow and include it
 

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I have the Derale fan on my car. Even with 1/8" shims under new motor mounts I had to trim the ends of the blades to avoid interference with the steering rack. I trimmed the blades flush with the thicker piece of stainless that that can be seen in the photos. I also put a larger radius on the corners of the blades.

As mentioned, in the chart, all the pitch is to the rear and it sits very close to the upper radiator hose. I trimmed the hose at the thermostat end to move it back and have about 1/4" clearance without the engine running. The fan flexes forward as the engine revs so the clearance increases.

This fan sits about 1" behind the radiator which is a good distance. It pulls a ton of air. I modified the shroud to direct air through the radiator and at idle, if I toss a small piece of paper at the front of the radiator it instantly gets sucked up against it. I'm also using one of Hoghead's reduced diameter pulleys.
 

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My stock motor mount shims look like .25" + the heat shield thickness. I never did measure...........
 

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I still need to put up a pic of the CF-C7TA-G Canada 6 blade (at work now, goal is to post latter today),

LEFT - top fan is Derale, bottom is Flex-a-lite

RIGHT - top is stock Tiger, middle is G-65 (orig. LAT), bottom is CF C9DE-a P13465

I have been using a later model aluminum thermostate housing with hose end that swivels to obtain additional fan <> upper hose clearance. You can easily get these online and then using die grider cut out additional clearance for bypass hose (plenty of aluminum thickness to work with FYI).

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Yep, on the swivel t-stat housing, I have been running them on the Mustang for years, but didn't think of tossing one on the Tiger. The stockish one I have on the car now with the right angle lines I made up look to clear the fan but totally forgot about the swivel type which can make things a lot easier to get the hoses where you need them. I'm sure I'll have to redo it as everything looks OK on the Tiger until you try to actually fit it up :)

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Here are the CF-C7TA-G fan pictures that I forgot to include in this posting. I do like the looks of this fan and ? if that kick up at tip of blades increases effeciency (looks aggressive and cool IMO).

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That's a fan I've never seen! I have the one on the bottom right of your original pics and it works great. Drove to Seattle and back (520 miles). Yesterday coming home it was close to 100 degrees, The car ran no hotter than 80 C. the entire trip.
 

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Not sure about a stock Tiger, but some of the fans with a lot of the blade forward of the hub was a problem for me. I'm running a Fluidyne 3 pass and have the motor pushed back a bit and ran into an issue with the fan that I though was going to work, super cool design with removable blades. But I could not get it to work with it either having blades get into the radiator or if removing the spacers the rear hitting the belts. I have Dale's Tiger pulley's on the car with a Victor water pump. I also have the pump flange pushed back as appropriate for the stock Tiger. I think I ended up with the stainless flex fans and a plastic fan that would fit. I liked the Fan I was hoping to fit as you could remove or add blades (track/street) use. The twist on the blades just didn't work on the Tiger :(

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Never seen a build your own fan before - cool. Let us know how it works. BTW, it looks very cool
 

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It was an expensive really good try, you get the hub, pick the diameter of blades and put it together. I have run a 2 blade flex fan for years on my Mustang, and like the idea of the universal fan, but the pitch won't work on my Tiger as mentioned, just too wide and can't move away from fan belt as it gets too close to radiator. Will try to get it on the Mustang at some point. The one thing that is a downside (besides being expensive) is it's heavier then a flexfan or the nylon fan I'm going to use. Don't think that matters much but just something I noticed about it. It's nice, for sure.
 

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Opportunity to do visual comparison of Tiger engine fans, thought it may be of interest values. Chart matches pictures.

DescriptionDiameterHub Center# BladesBackspace from front of hubFront Space From back of hubHub ThicknessBlade ThicknessMax Blade WidthColorNotes
orig stock Tiger14"1"41"7/8"1/8"1/16"3 7/8"blackmax blade width near hub, less 1 3/4 at tip
LAT - 6 blade, G-6515"1"69/16"11/16"1/8"1/16"3 1/16"blackbelieve orig LAT, low pitch
CF-C7TA-G Canada15"5/16"61 3/8"7/8"1/8"1/16"3 11/16"blackLAT repo, aaggressive kick/flip at tips
CF C9DE-a P13465 Canada15"1"61"3/4"1/8"1/16"3.75"blackcommonLAT repo, seen/used several
Derale 1701514.75"5/16"62 9/16"1/2"1/8"1/64"2 7/8"black/stainlessall pitch to rear, ? If need trim to reduce depth
Flex-a-lite 131515"1"51 7/8"1/2"1/8"1/64"3 3/8"blue/stainless"Sucker" Blue Star, all pitch to rear, more flex than Derale

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I've been trying to find a source for the Flex-a-lite 1315 with no luck so far. Anyone have a source? Is there a part number for the swivel necked T-stat outlet?
 

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I am sure you checked and found out that Flex-a-Lite no longer makes the 1315. While there may be some speed shop which might have old stock, there may be a better chance of finding a used one. Or you might check out a new Flex-a-Lite fan which looks similar to the 1315. It is 15-inch Aluminum Silver Race Fan, Part Number: 102122, Legacy Model Number: 1215. Maybe it might work. Good luck!
 

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I was looking for the same fan to fit with my stock shroud but move more air than my 13 inch flex fan. I ended up with a Derale 17015 BUT the blades are ridiculously long (front to back); I had to trim them, which is a bit scary. On the bright side the circumference was perfect and once I trimmed it so it wouldn't hit the hoses the effect was amazing. With a really good radiator but no electric fan my temp doesn't move from the thermostat 170 degrees even idling in 95 degree temp. Not bad for a 350hp motor in a small engine bay.
 

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I've never been a huge fan of the fans with thin flexible blades. Yes, they do move a ton of air, but they are really noisy... The other issue has been commented on... you can install one and think you've got adequate clearance only to find when it slices through a hose or hits the rack that you don't.

Something that hasn't been discussed is fitting a spring inside the lower hose... This was a recognized problem (hose collapse) when the car was new. NPD sells one for the Mustang and I install them in every car that comes in. Cheap insurance. That and a 160 thermostat... this is what is specified in the factory lit. I cannot fathom why anyone would fit a 180 or 195 thermostat. A higher temp thermostat prevents the car from being able to recover and cool from an overheating position.

A lot of the cars are missing the little heat shields that fit between the motor mounts and the block.. I make these out of 16Ga. aluminum, but NPD sells them made in stainless, though they are thinner. You can add a thicker spacer, but attention has to be paid to hood clearance. It is dependent on what intake manifold is installed and if there are spacers between the carb and intake, as well as air cleaner choice. I have an F4B with a 1/2" phenolic spacer between the carb and intake. I have a factory air cleaner, but I removed the stud from the carb and instead use a 1/4-20TPI flat head Philips screw to retain the air cleaner. This makes the retainer flush with the top of the air cleaner providing hood clearance. An easy way to determine hood clearance is to put a ball of tin foil on top of the air cleaner.. Close the hood and you will know exactly how much room you have between the air cleaner and the hood.

Electric fans are a waste of money... at anything over 15 MPH the airflow through the radiator exceeds the ability of the fan to cool, ANY fan. Don't believe me... The Shelby Cobras (260 and 289) were equipped with a mechanical fan on the water pump and it was advised by Shelby to remove the fan completely after the engine was broken in.... Yes the 427/428 cars had electric fans.... I know!

Alloy radiators are similarly a huge waste of money. They cannot be cleaned or repaired and as such are disposable. A brass radiator core does a better job of transferring heat, can be cleaned, repaired or re-cored... The best option is to have a dimpled tube core fit. This slows down the water and allows it to cool in the radiator as it's supposed to.

It's been triple digits here for 6 weeks... my temp gauge hangs at 160F, or about 1/8" to the left of center. This regardless of traffic or load. I have verified the operating temp with both a laser temp gauge and a candy thermometer. My car will not overheat however long I let it idle in the driveway.... In fact, it rarely ever gets to the center of the gauge (85C).

As has been pointed out for YEARS. The Tiger cooling problem isn't a matter of getting air through the radiator. The problem is getting the hot air out of the engine compartment. Rootes ran the comps cars with the hood on the safety catch to let the hot air out. The LAT hood was developed to let hot air out. Fit a hood with only an air intake scoop for the carbie and it will do nothing to help with overheating. I know this for a fact, because I did it. As soon as I fit the exhaust vents the engine temp dropped nearly 30 degrees C.

The forum has an exhaustive study on overheating cures... I agree with nearly all of them.

Things to consider are mixtures and ignition timing. It's better to be slightly rich than lean and timing over 12 BTDC will contribute to higher operating temps. Always fit a 160 thermostat. I fit Robert's water pump pully and I have the Canadian fan with the 1" arbor. I have a dimpled tube core and I have fitted the horn hole plates. As I have a MK2, I have the oil cooler so that helps... I have fit the spring in the bottom radiator hose. The biggest difference came from the LAT type hood... I made mine from steel, so the scoop is different dimensionally, but the exhaust vents are identical to the fibreglass hood.

Something else to note... Headers generate an enormous amount of heat, as do stainless steel exhausts... don't believe me... Look up the "engine masters" episode on header temps and solutions on Motortrend TV...

I'm running a mildly built 302 (about 300HP) with factory cast exhaust manifolds and a custom built mild steel 2" i.d. exhaust.

I'm 63 years old... I don't need to prove anything on the street with my Tiger and I'd rather drive something that doesn't rattle my ears on a long drive... I'd like reliability, good fuel economy and the car be quiet enough that I can listen to my Ipod through the stereo... in short, I'm not 16 anymore... and I like to drive my car without being broiled, or basted....
 

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Yep, get the hot air out of the engine compartment. Not sure about aluminum rads being less effective than brass, but yes you can't fix them easily if at all. Most of the cooling stuff has been flushed out ad nauseam in the big cooling article.
 

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Here's a couple of fans that I have... no markings on them for manufacturer
The 5 blade came on the car as bought with a 289 HIPO and I now use it on my 302 roller and with a slightly thicker recored rad it works great
I got the 7 blade from another Tiger owner but have never tried it. I'm told that the strange offset layout is to reduce noise ?

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