Tiger MkII review video...
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Also they invented an additional 100 mkii's 😲
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Does anybody know how many MK 2's actually still exist? There are always cars of many marques that have set for years or even decades that seem to show up at some point.
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What relevance does this question have to them getting the production number wrong?
You think that there are somehow magically another 100 mkii's made that will suddenly turn up?
Or you also get your production numbers from Wikipedia? 🙄
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There are lots of videos and articles that tell the number of cars made whether it's Rootes vehicles or other marques and the numbers may be right or wrong. Sometimes mistakes are made which is human nature for busy folks. Curiosity and question asking happens at every car show we attend especially if you show up with a rare Rootes vehicle with a low production figure. The question of how many and how many left is almost always asked.
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The number of Tiger Mk II produced is well known. The error comes when people read that the last Mk II has a VIN number ending in 00633. Those people assume that every number below that one was used. But the first 100 numbers were not used for production Mk IIs., but a few were used for production mules (to test out planned assembly methods).
Whenever anyone asks me how many Mk IIs are on the road when I am showing my car, I simple laugh and say there is no way of knowing. The best that anyone can do is take a guess. I can say how many were produced.
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You hit the nail on the head. Nobody knows what to say when asked how many are left. The facts are that many owners are not members of a club that has members that have tenure as far as being owners so they rely on videos of this nature or what a book or article may say even if the info may not be correct. One thing I see a lot of is the number of owners of Alpines, Tigers and other Rootes vehicles that ask for info or help based on the year on the title. That's when it's time to help educate and urge them to become members of the various clubs. Help them instead of just barking out details that shows them they don't know anything about the cars. I was amazed to see the extent of testing for the Tiger as well as talking to the engineer that drove the car for testing while watching the body restoration of the AF 4 car. I still have the Alpine my Dad bought in the mid 60's and I learned a lot from folks like Tiger Tom, Wally Swift, Doug Jennings and many other long time or original owners that took time to enlighten me and others on changes that were made to Alpines and Tigers over the course of production.
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It's always interesting watching how misinformation can be justified in various manners when topics are changed or context reframed etc, instead of learning or just correcting issues...it's how misinformation keeps spreading and sadly ends up in places people turn to for facts.
Tigers are a good example with the amount of incorrect information that continuously gets published regarding their production methods, numbers built and even basic specifications.
I've seen long term Sunbeam owners forcefully state and argue Tigers are just a converted Alpines, ask opened ended questions about the production methods etc, that they are aware of, just to undermine and cause confusion about the cars.
That said, they are not Tiger owners and not known to care much for fact, research or history, but it does damage and the same actors try and claim to have credibility in various ways.
I've heard people often try and validate misinformation and knowingly false statements by associating themselves with people of credibility, or espouse their long history with something as a way to faine knowledge.
Some will repeat mistakes.. or worse deliberately mislead or lie for whatever reasons, embarrassment at their errors, ignorance or even deliberately as they just get their kicks from deciving others or creating discord?
As a club that is dedicated to the preservation, promotion and celebration of the cars and their history it's a worthwhile thing to try and get correct information out there and also correct misinformation when it appears... especially in an online environment.
It serves the marque and the club.
Tigers are a good example with the amount of incorrect information that continuously gets published regarding their production methods, numbers built and even basic specifications.
I've seen long term Sunbeam owners forcefully state and argue Tigers are just a converted Alpines, ask opened ended questions about the production methods etc, that they are aware of, just to undermine and cause confusion about the cars.
That said, they are not Tiger owners and not known to care much for fact, research or history, but it does damage and the same actors try and claim to have credibility in various ways.
I've heard people often try and validate misinformation and knowingly false statements by associating themselves with people of credibility, or espouse their long history with something as a way to faine knowledge.
Some will repeat mistakes.. or worse deliberately mislead or lie for whatever reasons, embarrassment at their errors, ignorance or even deliberately as they just get their kicks from deciving others or creating discord?
As a club that is dedicated to the preservation, promotion and celebration of the cars and their history it's a worthwhile thing to try and get correct information out there and also correct misinformation when it appears... especially in an online environment.
It serves the marque and the club.
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At first I was a bit put off with the length.
43 minuets is a bit more than I am use to
in the Youtube world.
So I just hit the back end/bottom
line, the drive and score.
And as others noted, Surprisingly LOW.
Then I checked out some of their other
vids, and then watched it all from the start.
I was again surprised how the comments were glowing
and yet the score was low.
But I also was surprised the problems/issues
with the car!
They commented about the poor/faulty functioning brake
booster and steering Bump-steer (!!??) and you could
see the speedo jumping around!
And yet they didn't mention the Ever popular
Ackerman issue nor mention the features of the
telescoping steering column or the 2 position
peddles.
I was quite disappointed we could not readily
see the rest of the "Reviewed" cars on their
list...
But mostly, I guess it was disappointing
they didn't hold the MK2 Tiger in higher
regard seeing they also have another Tiger.
And maybe the fact they have 2 Tigers really
tells the tale, I wonder how many other cars
in their collection they have 2 of?
DW
43 minuets is a bit more than I am use to
in the Youtube world.
So I just hit the back end/bottom
line, the drive and score.
And as others noted, Surprisingly LOW.
Then I checked out some of their other
vids, and then watched it all from the start.
I was again surprised how the comments were glowing
and yet the score was low.
But I also was surprised the problems/issues
with the car!
They commented about the poor/faulty functioning brake
booster and steering Bump-steer (!!??) and you could
see the speedo jumping around!
And yet they didn't mention the Ever popular
Ackerman issue nor mention the features of the
telescoping steering column or the 2 position
peddles.
I was quite disappointed we could not readily
see the rest of the "Reviewed" cars on their
list...
But mostly, I guess it was disappointing
they didn't hold the MK2 Tiger in higher
regard seeing they also have another Tiger.
And maybe the fact they have 2 Tigers really
tells the tale, I wonder how many other cars
in their collection they have 2 of?
DW
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Austin Healer
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A collector and a speculator, but NOT a knowledgeable enthusiast. Probably why the review scores are so low. I wasn't impressed with the presentation and the general lack of knowledge about the car was pretty obvious, to me at least.